Last week a reader commented on vaccines at this post, When You Can't Catch Chicken Pox, and said this: “Vaccinations wouldn't be available mainstream if they were considered dangerous.” My only reply was, “Ohhhhh how I wish that were true…” But it caused quite a ruckus over on Facebook.
One comment that came in reply to that one was especially sad, and I wasn't sure if I should post it…
Here's what Leslie said…
“First of all, just be sure to make it clear that this is one woman's experience.
But at our website, the Greater Good, there is a catalog of science that explores and documents all of these reactions and more, because there IS science out there proving that all of this really does happen.
Thousands of children DO die after their vaccines, and it's dismissed as SIDS or something not related, but there is an AMPLE amount of science that suggests it's vaccination related, they're close time-wise to their shots and babies suddenly stop breathing. Especially babies between two and four months old.
It also is a fact that doctors do give nine injections in one day, they'll just “catch you up” if you're behind on an appointment, etc.
So cases just like the ones she mentions below are documented.”
Visit the Greater Good website's science page to learn more.
Here's the comment from “DW” in reply to the one mentioned above:
“Wow, are you for real? You really need to do your research. I used to think that too until:
- Case 1) My perfectly normal 1 1/2 yr old nephew got his last set of vax and within days regressed where he was no longer walking, crawling, talking, had no eye contact, and withdrew. At age 3 he was diagnosed with Autism. No he was not born that way, his immune system was so badly damaged that now at age 12 it has never recovered, he isn't even potty trained.
- Case 2) My 18 month old neighbor went for her well-child check, received her last set of vax, then ran the “normal” side effect fever, and died in her sleep within 12 hours. This was a perfectly healthy baby with no health issues whatsoever.
- Case 3) A good friend whose daughter was born the same day as my own daughter, again at 12 months, screamed from the time of injection literally almost non-stop for 3 days. Fever, pain, and vomiting, ended up in ER, regrettably, my friend believed the doctor when she was told it was just a fluke so she kept the schedule and got her 18 month vax, within a week this beautiful healthy baby slipped into a vegetative state and never recovered. She died shortly after her 11th birthday.
- Case 4) Healthy baby boy, again, developing normal, last set of vax, cognitive skills regressed, chronic health issues developed, until at age 8 he died.
- Case 5) My own child at 12 months was given 1 multi vax in each leg, each arm, and oral polio by literally 4 nurses simultaneously. That is 4 shots with multiple vax. DTaP is 1 shot but 3 vax, so is MMR, so he actually received 9 vax at one time that day. He only cried for literally a minute or two and it was done, or so we thought until I got him home and he couldn't move his legs. He was 100% paralyzed for 4 days and the health department's response was ‘give it time, it happens sometimes‘. Praise the Lord that his was not permanent, but scary nonetheless. This is also the child who ended up having comprehension and learning disabilities, which according to the CDC are listed as side effects.
I am 46 years old, I knew of only one Autistic child growing up as it was truly a 1 in a million generation. We only had 4-6 vax starting at age 4 and ending at age 6, and were given 1 vax every 6 months during that time period. I have had zero vax since then including tetanus and I have been super healthy, not even the flu since elementary school, and I have had stitches many times as well. Amazing. My husband is the same.
When my first son was born 22 years ago, Autism rates were 1 in 3500, two years later when my second son was born, Autism was 1 in 1500 (introduction of Hep vax at birth), 7 years later in the year 2000, with the introduction of several new vax and the new infant vax schedule, Autism was 1 in 166, today it is 1 in 54 and there are so many more vaccines.
My first child got the bare minimum vax, my second had a few more because they started combining them around this time and also accelerated the schedule, my third child has barely had any as I had done my research on both sides by then and decided that most were unnecessary in the US for an infant or child.
There is far less risk by not vaxing than vaxing in this day and age. After extensive research, none of my children have had, nor will they ever have, another vaccination or booster again. And since they have seen the effects of the overuse of vaccines in the U.S. today, they have all stated that none of their children will be vaccinated in the future. I pray that their spouses will agree to that.
If my children want to leave the country and be vaxed as an adult, at least their immune systems will be fully developed and stronger than when they were babies. But my two oldest are now in college and have both been to other countries with no issues so I don't see it happening.
Keep in mind, vaccinations aren't about protecting our children, they are about making money. Big pharma preys upon parents who want to protect their children from everything and this is how they make their money. Look at the timelines and you will see that diseases were already on the downward trend as vaccines were hitting the market. Don't be surprised if the infertility rates skyrocket in this next generation.“
Research it yourself!
With a decision this big, you MUST dig deep. Remember: I'm not a doctor, and there is a lot that I don't know. However, I do hope this post motivates you to make it a priority to do that research.
How many stories do you know of like the ones above?
- Here you can read more about our personal vaccination decisions or read specifically about the 7 factors that influenced our own vaccination plan.
- Hear more from Leslie Manookian in this post: How to avoid the flu shot and not get fired, part 2
Jennifer Utz says
My friends 9 week old baby had a vaccine reaction. She looked into homeopathy and discovered homeoprophylaxis with nosode treatment for disease prevention. A really good book to read is “The Solution” by Whatcott and Birch.
stacy hancock says
* my son is allergic to penicillin
stacy hancock says
my friend’s daughter had seizures after her 12mo MMR vax. actually, her oldest daughter had a similar reaction 10yrs prior, but no dr would suggest it was the vax and her oldest recovered. my friend had no idea. 10 yrs later her youngest did not recover. the drs in 3 hospitals never reported it to VAERS, despite it being law. Her small town ped did it. Erika died at the age of 3 due to injuries sustained from the MMR vax. They have a letter from the govt stating the vax was to blame and still had to fight tooth and nail to get compensation(the govt was waiting to see if she’d die basically, but that’s another story).
i believe choosing not to vax saved my second child. we had iv antiobiotics in labor for my group b strep. i asked if it could cause a problem if he were allergic like his dad to penicillin. they said it wouldnt be a problem. his gut was thrashed. thank goodness we also breastfed for 17mo(he weaned due to my third pregnancy). if not for those two things, i believe he would have died or developed autism. as it is, he has gluten and dairy issues which we just discovered a year ago.
leigh says
I’m shocked to hear you mention your husband’s allergy to penicillan. I was on abx just before delivering my 3rd b/c I had a staph infection lanced on my due date, 2 days prior to induction. I NEVER considered my child might inherit my husband’s allergic reactions, but glad to be made aware of it to take it into consideration in the future. PG w/ my 4th now and had a spot lanced open in my armpit. Dr couldn’t prescribe me any abx b/c of the pregnancy and my spot healed up very nicely, fortunately. Makes me realize that I probably could have foregone the abx w/ my last spot just before delivery.
Laura says
Is it possible to claim the religious exemption (the only kind allowed in my state) if you’ve consented to SOME of the vaccines? My son (6mo) has had dTap, Hib and Prevnat (meningitis) and that’s it. I space them 2-4 weeks apart. He has not had any side effects, except that he developed eczema at 2 mo following his dTap shot (but I don’t KNOW that it’s related). I am not religious, so the religious exemption would be kind of a lie. MD doesn’t have a philosophical exemption, and we are atheist, which is not classified as a religion (this is discrimination, in my opinion). If I don’t want him to get all the remaining vaccines before attending school, what do I do (not sure homeschooling is a good option, though I was homeschooled).
KitchenKop says
Yes, you should be able to pick and choose based on a “religious” exemption, and I can’t imagine that anyone would ask if you’re truly religious or not. None of their business really!
leigh says
Our Bishop does not allow for religious exemption at our Catholic school and we have no ‘medical’ reason to exempt out, so this is the quandary I’m having as well. I wonder if I can find/claim ‘philosophical’ exemption. I am literally petrified to even try this b/c I wouldn’t feel confident at all defending my position except to say that I need time to research more before we move forward w/ any shots. But how long can I do that?
To complicate the issue, DH is not on board at all. I would be inclined to just not say anything to him about it and he might never know, but he thinks it’s all hocus pocus and doesn’t want to go against the grain in any way. Just go w/ the flow and don’t give anyone anymore reason to think we’re somehow ‘different’ than they already do.
Commenter via Facebook says
Joy, can you explain this a bit further? How and by whom is the exemption signed? Return address?
Commenter via Facebook says
Cristy – you can write your own exemption. Write it, seal it, mail it to yourself certified. Never open it! Unless the need arises, and hopefully that need will never arise.
Commenter via Facebook says
@Nikki Wallace Flory – I will look for her and for the state exemption . @Joy M. Suits – You are right,I will tell them No! I just found out that doctor can give me that exemption. Thank you all so much!
Commenter via Facebook says
Hailey Stout you might like to read this article
Monika says
That comment above is supposed to say “I agree with George”, having trouble typing…
Monika says
I agree with Feirge, this a discussion that needs to come away from the all-or-nothing mentality that appears to prevail. Although most people here seem to know someone who has had a bad reaction to a vaccine, I happen to know or know of more people who died or were severely disabled by diseases that children now get vaccinated for than I know of vaccine reactions (talking about “personal” experience, not what I read online). So having seen both sides of the story, it really is not all-or-nothing.
Commenter via Facebook says
Cristy Ramos – you DO NOT need to give in when a Virtual School tells you that your kids HAVE to be vaccinated! There is a NATIONAL Religious Exemption that you can claim. It’s Federal – not state mandated! You just TELL THEM NO!!!!!
Commenter via Facebook says
@ Audrey Smith – so was your baby ok after such a big scare?
Commenter via Facebook says
I got guilted into the flu and tdap while pregnant. I got a fever of 106+ within 12 hours and went into urgent care. The nurses started freaking out since I had already taken a Tylenol and couldn’t have any more. They started me on cold IVs, but couldn’t get the fever down. Then they couldn’t find my son’s heartbeat for almost half an hour. The little nurse with the fetal monitor was shaking and tearing up. It was the most terrifying moment of my life.
Commenter via Facebook says
Some of the money from every shot goes into VAERS, vaccine adverse event reporting. If you do not know about Barbara Loe Fisher(NVIC) look her up.
I had a classic reaction to the MMR at 31.
Most states offer some type of exemption. You just need to look it up.
Commenter via Facebook says
Kelly the Kitchen Kop yes,indeed is upsetting . Thanks for the post,some times is hard to talk about it.
Commenter via Facebook says
Clanci Lynn Hicks you and wolfy need to read this about vaccinations.
Jeanmarie says
This is a truly horrifying list. I’ve done a lot of research on both sides of the vaccination issue (or should I say all three sides: follow CDC recommendations, follow a modified schedule for selected vaccines, or reject all vaccines), and it’s still somewhat murky to me, since various people claim mutually exclusive “certainties.” At this point I fall somewhere between modified schedule and zero vaccines. I don’t have children, but we have come to the conclusion we aren’t vaccinating our animals anymore (dogs, cats, chickens and goats), unless very good evidence can be marshalled for a specific instance. I think emphasis on nutrient-dense diets, sunshine, clean water and healthful, stress-free surroundings has paid better benefits.
Jeanmarie says
Oh, and we don’t do the flu shot or other human vaccines either!
Commenter via Facebook says
(None of the doctors agreed that it was caused by the vaccine)
Commenter via Facebook says
Thanks for the advise …my children are home-schooled and they do need the vaccination up today…They are in a virtual school (that could be the reason why)…my youngest child was healthy until he received the flu vaccine ,he was hospitalized ,fortunately he got out of hospital after a week ,but his immune system was weak for a whole month, he was under cortisone treatment and nebulizations every 4 hours , I decided to stop that condition . I started to do many research as I can ,because he was treated as asmatic (no a natural condition and unacceptable) I made all the changes I needed to make since change the detergents to change the water we used to drink and eating habits…after that ,we started an homeopathy treatment …Now ,after 2 years of what happened ,none of us have visited the doctor…We changed almost everything in our lifestyle …Some of the researches I’ve made at first were made with people that have an asmatic child and most of all of them agreed with me…
Commenter via Facebook says
Thank you for this. I am trying to show my loved ones the dangers of vaccines, the more information I have to share with them the better!
Commenter via Facebook says
@ Cristy Ramos – wow… Very upsetting.
Commenter via Facebook says
Thanks indeed for sharing!!!
Commenter via Facebook says
Thanks for sharing this. I have a family member who homeschools here children so there is no problem with not vaccinating here kids.
Commenter via Facebook says
I want to share an experience; My daughter had chicken pox in mex. prior to come to USA ,once here she received one dose of the vaccine and they just told me after they finished that she need it again? I let the medical staff know what happened to my daughter (no 2nd reactions has been trigger since that date,well not noticeable) but the next visit I want to have the record and they just could not find it…
Commenter via Facebook says
Thank you Kelly for posting this!!
Margaret Auld-Louie says
I’m really surprised to read that a 46-year old “only had 4-6 vax starting at age 4 and ending at age 6”. I’m 54, born in 1958, and I had the following vaccines:
DPT: 3 mos, 3 mos, 4 mos, 6 mos, 5 years
DT: 8 years, 11 years
Polio: 6 months, 7 months, 16 months, 5 years, 13 years
Smallpox: 7 months, 8 years
MMR: This vaccine did not exist and I had all 3 diseases
That’s a lot more vaccines than she reports getting, though obviously less than children get now. I do not have good health–have had chronic and acute health issues my whole life, though I don’t think it’s all due to vaccines. Poor diet also played a role, as evidenced by very crooked teeth and very nearsighted eyes. I am very smart and have no learning disabilities, however am not as smart as my father, who has straight teeth and fewer vaccines (he was born in 1923).
Lori says
I was born in 1970, and I once saw a vaccination schedule for that year. Yes, we did have vaccines, but it was a lot less than now! We were lucky. I actually had to have MMR in college. Luckily, I was older.
George @ the High Fat Hep C Diet says
Your posts about how you vaccinate your own children are excellent and a good example of the sort of discussion we should be having. we need to get past the “all vaccines are evil” vs. “vaccinate early and often against everything” polarities. Neither of these approaches are healthy.
The bottom line is that some diseases will become big killers of children if no-one vaccinates, others will not. Vaccines will always harm some, but multiple vaccines (over 5 vaccines at one time) do significantly more damage.
It might make more sense not to vaccinate infants at all if you could be sure of vaccinating every older child and adult.
There are “good” vaccines – a history of BCG vaccination protects against melanoma.
Vaccinating against HPV to prevent cancer is an experiment. It makes sense, but no-one has ever shown that vaccination can prevent cancer (apart from the BCG connection which was unintended, and not something any individual can rely on).
And Gardasil is given to too small a proportion of the population to provide herd immunity. If they really believed in it they would give to boys and men. Women usually clear HPV, the women who get cancer are those who are consistently re-infected, and they’re not getting it from lesbians.
leigh says
The biggest reason against the Gardisil vac (from seeing The Greater Good docu) is just how quickly vaccines are approved nowadays compared to before when more time was required to gather cause-effect research. Six months just isn’t long enough to guage the safety of a new vaccine or drug.
Julie says
My children all had their shots as I was unaware of these issues at the time. However, my 16 year old has moved to a different state and her new school is saying that state health requires more shots for her to attend school. How do you not take them and still attend school?
Michele says
Julie-What state is your child in? There are waivers for each state…You can usually go to the states website and look for vaccine waivers…
leigh says
I have tried looking at my state’s website for a waiver form and I’m just so unclear on what form to use or if our school will even allow it. We go to a Catholic school and the bishop does allow for religious exemption. Thankfully none of my 3 kids so far have ever had a reaction (that we know of) and have had all of their scheduled shots, but I would happily forego any further shots for them or our new little one due in July.
It is all so mind-boggling, I don’t know which side is up, I wish someone could just tell me what to do and how to do it, but everyone just says ‘you have to decide for youreself.’ I would gladly if I had any clear direction!
Karen C. says
Dori, Why not wait? Or come up with a spread out, modified schedule with your doctor? This doesn’t need to be an all or nothing or “only the schedule” thing.
Sarah says
My oldest daughter had a strep blood infection…it was touch and go for a few hours. The doctors ended up giving her the strongest antibiotic in order to fight it off. It really scared me. A nurse kindly asked if I had considered just the tetnus shot and that it was available mercury free and safe for children over 7. After research we pursued this vaccination. The first round for both children went fine. After the second round my son developed hives. He continued to fight hives off and on for the next year for no apparent reason. We finished the series with my daughter but not my son. Two years later on occasion when he gets sick he will begin to break out in hives. My best guess is that his immune system is fighting off the one sickness and not able to handle whatever is causing the hives as effectively. I don’t know if they are related but is does seem connected. I am grateful that we have never done any other vaccines. I think our family is one that might have a host of problems had we gone the conventional route.
Dori says
Sarah, hives is one of my symptoms from my flu shot reaction that is very slowly going away. They’re pretty rare for me now, but it’s two and a half years later! It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out your son’s hives were related to the vaccine.
Sarah says
Dory thank you very much for sharing your experience. I know to many people that I have shared this with they are very skeptical as to whether it was related or not. The skeptical folks are the ones who are provaccine. Thankfully, my husband and parents back me up. My in laws respectfully disagree and do not give any pressure ( My mother in law is an RN so I am especially grateful for her not putting pressure on us even though she disagrees!)
leigh says
This all reminds me of issues my niece had when she was about 2 or 3. My SIL spent months in and out of the ER while her daughter would have random spells of not being able to walk, vomitting, fevering and rash. At that time I didn’t know anything about vaccines, but now it makes me wonder if it wasn’t related. They finally diagnosed her with foot-and-mouth disease.
Dori says
This is a topic near and dear to my heart after I suffered a severe reaction to the flu shot. My uncle had a vaccine trigger crippling rheumatoid arthritis, and my grandmother is allergic to the tetanus shot. Now that my husband and I are trying to start a family, I feel torn. I’m not sure if it’s responsible to not have my child vaccinated at all, but I certainly don’t want to subject my child to the laundry list of recommended vaccines. I’m thinking maybe a compromise of getting the top three safest and/or most important ones. I’d love to hear some feedback from people who’ve already researched this. Are any vaccines actually safe? Are there any where there is enough of a threat to make it worth the risk?
PJ says
No vaccine is safe. Period. If you need a big community to discuss with over time, there is a wonderful anti vax section in the Mothering Forum.
Andrea says
The government keeps trying to tell people these flukes are rare, but it’s getting to the point where everyone knows someone who has had a serious vaccine reaction. I know two in my own family (both medically documented)as well as a couple of friends. You can’t ignore it anymore.
Ann garcia says
Is there anthing natural we can take before and after vaccines to counteract the effects of the vaccine
KitchenKop says
Hi Ann, have you seen this post? https://kellythekitchenkop.com/what-you-must-do-before-mandatory-vaccinations/
I think that might help!
Kelly
Nourished for Free says
Vaccinations are truly an issue that every family needs to investigate – blindly following everything the doctor says can lead to so much harm! Thank you for sharing this, Kelly!
ValerieH says
This post is chilling. We were going to a doctor practice that supported us but they disbanded. I don’t know how to find another one. I would like to have a regular doctor but so far we just go to the emergency clinics (not ERs).
Elle says
I don’t know what part of the country you’re in, but we take our son to a Naturopath who is able to administer vaccines if the parents desire, but allows the parents to make their own decisions with no pressure. I would hope that any Naturopath who is a primary care provider for children would do the same.
Margaret Auld-Louie says
Naturopaths are not licensed in our state so cannot dispense drugs and I would imagine cannot give vaccines, either.
Kimberly says
I have truly investigated both sides of this issue, and in my opinion, the risk in vaccinating is far greater. I wish I had studied it before my kids had ANY. I stopped when my older son was 2 and my younger was 3 months. Better late than never, I suppose. Thanks for keeping us informed, so we can make educated decisions for our families.