Are all Dietz & Watson or Boar’s Head Lunch Meats “Natural”?

March 26, 2010 · 51 comments

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I rarely buy sliced lunch meats anymore, but when I do, I always get whatever is the most “natural”, although now I know more than ever what a loose term that is.  I went to get some roast beef today to make French Dip and asked to look at the label.  Of course most people never do this, and since they had to pull it out of the big case for me I got “the look”.  From what I knew, Dietz & Watson has “OK” meats, not grass-fed, but at least I didn’t think there was any junk in there.

The Dietz & Watson website says, “To enhance the natural flavors and goodness of the meats, only the freshest all-natural spices and seasonings are added. We never use artificial flavors, colors or fillers and never any MSG.”

So far, so good.

Also, in the Q & A section on their same site, it says this:

Q: What are Corn Syrup Solids?

A: They are flavoring agents with sweetening power greater than or equal to sugar. Its use is limited to two percent meats which makes it an excellent sweetener. In poultry its use is unlimited which means that it can be used as an extender. Dietz & Watson chooses not to use Corn Syrup Solids or any other extenders in our recipes.”

Now look at the ingredients I found on their website for roast beef: (my comments in italics)

INGREDIENTS: Beef, Water, Contains Less Than 1% Of Salt, Sodium Phosphate, Dextrose, Maltodextrin, Dried Beef Stock, Caramel Color, Soluble Black Pepper, Garlic Powder, Onion Powder, Grill Flavor (From Vegetable Oil)read why you should avoid vegetable oils, Corn Syrup Solids (see Q&A above!), Modified Corn Starch (more genetically modified, highly processed corn), Lemon Juice, Spice Extractives, Lemon Oil. Coated With Salt, Dextrose, Garlic & Onion Powder, Dried Beef Stock, Natural.

Dietz & Watson replies:

After I mentioned this company in a previous post, a nice guy named Steve emailed me and replied to these concerns.  About the corn syrup in the roast beef, he said they figured out that “It’s only in the coating”.  Not cool considering that on their website it says they choose NOT to use corn syrup solids, but according to Steve this is the only product they use it in.

A couple of those ingredients often contain MSG (Maltodextrin and beef stock), but he said, “We specify to ALL our suppliers that none of our ingredients can contain MSG.”

My conclusion is that overall most of their stuff isn’t bad compared to other conventional lunch meats, but they need to use something other than corn syrup in that one product so their website isn’t misleading.  Also keep in mind that their meats are not grass-fed, which is HUGE as you know.  (Read why grass-fed/pastured meats are so much better for us.)  Wouldn’t it be awesome if they’d offer a grass-fed lunch meat from cows raised on a sustainable farm?!

Surely Boar’s Head is a good choice, right?

The Boar’s Head website says, “We are proud to say that our meats and cheeses contain no fillers, gluten, artificial colors, flavors or trans fat. We wouldn’t put anything in our products that you wouldn’t put on your own table.

Here’s what their pdf guide says:

• Raised without the use of antibiotics or hormones
• No nitrate or nitrite added
• Gluten free
• No MSG added
• Vegetarian grain fed

I found no ingredients listed so I had to call to find out if they used High Fructose Corn Syrup in their lunch meats.

They asked:  “Are you allergic to it?”  I said, “Yes, everyone is actually.”  Apparently it’s not in their lunchmeat but it is in a few of their other products.

I thought I knew the answer to whether or not their meats had MSG, based on the pdf info above, but thought I’d ask just in case.  Good thing I did, she said it is added to a few of their lunchmeats!

I asked, “But it says on your site that your products have no MSG added!”

Her reply:  “Well, it’s not in most of our products, but it is in a handful.”

“But that’s so misleading, ‘No MSG added’ sounds like none at all.”

Well I’m sorry about that, as I said, there is added MSG in a handful of our products as a flavor enhancer, but most do not have the added MSG.”

Seriously.

Now for the good news:

Thankfully, now our local farmer makes his own sliced ham loaf and bologna (I love bologna and haven’t been able to eat it in years, since it’s all crap at the store), and he makes his own pepperoni, too!  Our kids were so excited when I made homemade pizza last week, and we loved how it tasted great without that layer of grease on top.

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    1 Satisfied Belly March 26, 2010 at 8:25 am

    They asked:

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    2 KitchenKop March 26, 2010 at 8:28 am

    People ask me that when I’m inquiring about whether animals are fed soy, too, and I give the same response. I got hung up on once for that, though. :)

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    3 Peggy March 26, 2010 at 9:36 am

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    4 Lisa Imerman March 26, 2010 at 10:21 am

    If you ever get to Detroit, we get our lunchmeats from Markowycz European Homestyle Sausage on Michigan Avenue. I go down there about every 8 week or so an stock up and put it in the freezer. They source their meats from Amish farmers in OH, IA and a few other states and they have a smokehouse on site and only use organic garlic, salt and pepper and spices. No filler, MSG, additives, etc. They will tell you what is in everything and their stuff is so good and their prices are comparable if not cheaper than the good lunchmeats at whole foods and the quality is FAR better!! Might be worth a trip to stock up and put it in your freezer.

    I thought that Boar’s Head was the same parent company as Dietz and Watson?? I know when their was a recall recently I thought it covered both companies??

    I don’t buy commercial lunchmeat and haven’t in an while. I used to buy the applegate Farms at WF, but it goes off so fast, that we couldn’t finish it before it smelled bad. The stuff from Detroit stays fresh as it is fresh when you get it.

    Lisa

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    5 Melissa @Cellulite Investigation March 26, 2010 at 11:34 am

    I was curious about Boars Head so thanks for bringing that up. Any thoughts on Primo Naturale?

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    6 KitchenKop March 26, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Hi Melissa!
    No, I’ve never heard of them, sorry. Just be sure to check out their website then CALL to find out more.
    Kelly

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    7 Jenna March 26, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    If it means anything Target has a store brand called Archer Farms & a lot of their meats are completely corn/msg/soy free. My husband is allergic to corn & soy so it’s go to know! The deli people can print out a nutrition label for you if you have a question.

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    8 Alex March 26, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Kelly kells–wanted to make one point in response to your boarshead evaluation–the NO msg/nitrites bit ONLY applies to their “natural” line of products….there regular boarhead line most definitely contains all the bad stuff–i have SEEN the ingredients labels with my own eyes!!!

    We hardly EVER buy lunch meat–but i do get a lovely natural salami that is uncured at my healthfood store–and pate to spread–liverwurst is a good choice and you can also cook up your own ham and slice it very thin…

    :) happy friday–wanted to let you know you inspired me to start my own food blog about my path….will hopefully be joining in on your real food wednesdays! so excited!!! thank you for your kindness and inspiration!

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    9 KitchenKop March 27, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Woohoo, the Real Food movement keeps spreading! Can’t wait to see your posts – be sure to add an email subscribe option or else I’ll never get to see it!!! (I’m not an RSS-er) :)

    Kel

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    10 Karen Ferguson March 27, 2010 at 4:47 am

    Kel, You’re sooo tenacious! Got hung up on? No problem. No MsG…let me check that out. Uh…only in a handful of products. Sheesh.
    No sugar? just on the outside.
    I’m no longer sooo naive. Gracias, mi amiga!!
    When I buy it, I buy it here. http://www.yelp.com/biz/corralitos-market-and-sausage-company-corralitos
    I’ve got to find the true website: this is a review site.
    Uh..Kel, you go first, it’s dark in there?!! :-)
    Thanks for all you do. I’m inspired, once again. No head in this sand.
    Hugs.
    Karen in Merida, Yucatan
    ps. I’m going to an organic, Weston-Price inspired, whole food farmers market today. I’ll let you know!

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    11 HeatherM March 27, 2010 at 9:46 am

    I am so glad you posted this. I have bought the brand before but not too often. Thanks to you, when I go out to eat I ask the waiter/waitress what kind of oil they use and the stunned look on their faces is priceless, plus at that point they are truly intriqued. As you know, people just don’t ask these kinds of questions. People automatically (my husband included) think the FDA etc. has our best interest in mind, it’s very heart breaking. As for the truth about soy that really grabs peoples attention. You are quite the leader. Great job!!!!!!

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    12 Jack kates August 15, 2013 at 11:28 am

    The FDA approved a pesticide farmers use to spay all over our fruits and veggies from 40 parts per billion to 80 parts per billion. that means double the chemicals will be on all your veggies and fruits as of 2013.

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    13 Lyne March 27, 2010 at 11:28 am

    “The Dietz & Watson website says,

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    14 Marilyn Moll March 27, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Hi Kelly,
    Thanks for enlightening me and giving me the heads up to not “assume” certain claims make it all good. But, I have to say you are getting a little too nit picky for me. Glad you still were able to eat it. I get annoyed by those who will not eat something because of some very minor imperfection about it. Let us learn to give thanks in all things. :-)

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    15 Lisa Imerman March 27, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Marilyn,

    I greatly respect you, so please don’t take this response as anything but another opinion. I do find that it isn’t always about being nit picky. I have 2 sons who can’t have dairy, wheat or soy and can not tolerate much of anything that is a preservative or artificial colors or flavors. My 8 year old can handle a bit more than the baby. I am still nursing so I have to be very careful or he gets horrible rash, stomach upset and sinus problems. I am working on healing their guts (and mine) so they don’t have to suffer. But it does get difficult when things are labeled natural and really aren’t all that natural. I ask about everything. I can’t have any MSG, I get horribly sick (my mother-in-law swore it was the flu when she saw me have a reaction after eating out, nope that is what that stuff does to me within 1/2 an hour and it generally last for 12 to 24 hours and then I still feel yucky for about a day after the acute symptoms disappear).

    So it isn’t a “minor imperfection” to everyone. Plus if more consumers let them know that they don’t want that garbage in their foods, it will change the way things are marketed and processed. The pocketbook talks!!

    Lisa

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    16 Sherri @ Luv a Bargaiin March 28, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Kelly,
    I just love your site! I have not bought deli meat for years because I ,too, was trying to find the most “natural”. I think I drove them bonkers asking to read all the labels :) Now I just buy chicken breasts or turkey breasts (when it’s on sale and freeze it.) and bake it with different seasonings. It is so much better and yummy.

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    17 Gregg March 28, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Just have to let you know how much I admire and respect you, Kelly.

    Sincerely,
    Gregg

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    18 KitchenKop March 28, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Gregg, my favorite techy friend, I feel the same way. I’m thankful to know you and Hallee! :)
    Kel

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    19 Melody Joy March 29, 2010 at 11:15 am

    You have to be really careful with “no msg added.” Swanson broth now has a “no msg added” variety, but it still contains autolyzed yeast extract (msg by another name, basically). Even Kashi and other “Healthy” brands of foods have been known to use AYE or Maltodextrin on products said to contain “no added msg.” As I’m allergic I have to be pretty careful, the truth in labeling site someone linked above was a HUGE help to me.

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    20 Brandy Afterthoughts March 30, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    I wish I could find some good recipes for making my own lunchmeats. We have done roast beef on occasion (we have a nice slicer in the family to make it thin), but I’d love to learn to make my own pepperoni. I had a recipe to make my own salami, and then realized one of the ingredients still had nitrites! I was so sad because at the time my son had neurological allergies that were very aggravated by nitrates and nitrites.

    Anyone know of a cookbook that would help someone do it themself?

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    21 KitchenKop March 30, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Brandy,
    Maybe someone else knows of a cookbook, but all I can think of is for you to Google it like crazy, or maybe you already have?
    Kelly

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    22 tina March 31, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Please continue to be nit picky and I will too. And we have the right to know every single ingredient in our food w/o calling the company. We have the right to decide whether we want .00001 of anything in our food.

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    23 Matt April 17, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I agree, everyone should know what goes in and what it does. Anyone who puts their trust in a food manufacturer does so at their own peril. It pays to dig.

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    24 Diane April 4, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Hi,
    Can you please help — by researching if Boars Head and Dietz & Watson use products (beef-cows, turkey, chicken) that come from animals fed with GM (genetically modified) corn or soy? I’m unable to find that info on their sites.

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    25 Laura September 14, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    I have a question for Lyne…what is ET?

    thanks

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    26 Genet October 7, 2010 at 3:03 am

    I realize this may not be the BEST choice but I have been using Hormel’s All Natural Choice meats. My husband and I both brown bag it daily and a sandwich is just a good thing here :)
    The Hormel Natural Choice comes in a plain brown box at the store.
    The turkey ingredients are : Turkey Breast Meat, Water, Salt, Turbinado Sugar, Carrageenan (from seaweed), Baking Soda, Natural Flavoring, Lactic Acid Starter Culture (not from Milk).
    I am not the best with the label reading yet, but it seems this is the best I can find, short of a butcher making their own and stuff . . . .
    oh . . . .here is a pic. . . .lemme know what you think of if I am missing something here. http://www.hormelnatural.com/products/categories/sandwichmeat.aspx#

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    27 Ranah April 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Sounds mediocre. Carrageenan is a thickener found in a lot of dairy products. It’s actually poisonous in large quantities. It can trigger flare-ups for ulcers, crohn’s disease, colitis, irritate IBS and much more. It’s good you read labels, but if you see this ingredients, put it back.

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    28 Veronica March 12, 2014 at 11:28 am

    I agree. Stay away from carrageenan. After going gluten free, i was still having symptoms on occasion depending on what i ate. Sure enough, after a lot of trial and error and monitoring everything i ate, i found that it was the carrageenan making me sick. It acts just like gluten with many of the same symptoms. Bad news is it’s in so many foods, especially non-dairy items like milk substitutes, yogurts, cheeses, etc. Always check labels!

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    29 Kelly the Kitchen Kop October 7, 2010 at 7:12 am

    The only thing I’d wonder about is how was the turkey raised, & “natural flavorings”. Did you try finding a farm nearby who makes lunchmeats??

    Diane, sorry I missed your question from April! I’d say calling the company is your best option, let us ck

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    30 abranda October 20, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    where do you live, we are moving there!!! it is encouraging to hear that you are getting all that through your local farmer. We are on our searching mission for ours today! i am glad. very glad.

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    31 KitchenKop October 20, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    LOL! Near Grand Rapids, MI, and I know, I’m very thankful. :)

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    32 Lynn December 15, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Just came across your blog and am very interested to know the farmer you purchase lunch meat from? I am from Grand Rapids too! My husband eats Dietz and Watson turkey everyday and I am concerned about nitrates. I can’t seem to find in their literature if it has nitrates or not and would much prefer to buy our meat locally, organic and preservative free as possible.
    Thanks!

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    33 KitchenKop December 15, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Hi Lynn, I’ll email you. :)

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    34 Hannah August 27, 2011 at 12:19 am

    I want to go Paleo/ Primal and just found out I will have to take my food back to the store. I spent 15 bucks on boarshead meat, cheese, and foster farms chicken. I am sooo disappointed! Where can I find some truly gluten free meat? I want to buy organic and not get sick from corn and soy thank you! Will someone email me and help me? My email is above! Thank you in advance.

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    35 Lisa Imerman August 27, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Hannah,

    Do you have a Whole Foods by you, that would be the first place to find better quality meats and lunchmeats. Applegate Farms is one brand they sell that is pretty good. Depends on where you live but there maybe some local farmers that sell lunchmeats and such. We have several here in MI, but I am not sure where you live. If you aren’t sure look online for your local Weston A. Price Chapter and call and they can help you find local farmers.

    Lisa

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    36 Amy February 5, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    I don’t know if anyone is still reading this post, but I’ll ask just in case =) Lisa, I am from MI too, can you give me info on what farmers sell lunchmeats? I’m in the Detroit area and would love to find some good organic lunchmeat!

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    37 Hannah August 27, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    I live in Southern California in San Diego County. We have a Henry’s that will become a Sprouts. I did see Applegate Farm burgers so next time I will buy them. I know the Henry’s will be a Sprouts soon so that will be more Paleo/Primal friendly. What are some other brands I should look for? I wanted to know if there would be some special kind of labeling on the grass fed organic meat and some cheeses? I did notice on the ghee I bought it says made from pasture fed cows. :) Would it say that on the grass fed meat?

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    38 MikeA September 11, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I try not to buy either Boar’s Head or Dietz and Watson; although I find Dietz and Watson to be a far more ethical company because they list their ingredients (good luck trying to find the ingredients list for Boars Head) and they don’t use bullying tactics with their Deli owners or customers. Overall, when I eat Boar’s Head Oven Gold Turkey (supposedly only turkey beast but you just have to look at the stuff to realize it’s still Turkey Roll) I get a reaction like I get when I eat foods with a lot of artificial flavors, fillers, and/or preservatives. And forget about real roast beef anymore, they like to say it’s 100% natural but it taste like processed junk. Now I go to the Italian Specialty store for my roast beef (made from a beef roast that’s cooked there and sliced – wow, imagine that real roast beef for the firs time in twenty years). Unfortunately they don’t do the same thing with their Turkey breast so I get that at Wild by Nature (100% natural real turkey sliced from a real turkey breast). Do yourself a favor and skip the brand name deli meats, not only are they unhealthy, they all taste more or less the same. Instead, pay a few extra bucks and seek out real meat.

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    39 MikeA September 11, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Just a sample of Boar’s Head bullying tactics below, where they disrupted a Dietz and Watson taste test promotion to benefit a cancer charity:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Dietz__Watson_Boars_Head_boors_wrecked_cancer_fundraiser.html

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    40 Bob January 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    all these meats are processed. If not, why is a turkey breast so huge when they pull it out of the cooler. No turkey breast is shaped like that. It has to be made the same as sausage. Yuk!!!!

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    41 Dave August 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Some of this stuff is falsehood. FWIW I agree with you on grass fed livestock.

    However, MSG is not beef stock and maltodextrin. Maltodextrin is an artificial sweetener and Beef stock is the juices from harvested meat.

    MSG stands for monosodium glutamate and is a flavor-enhancing preservative known by the brand name Accent.

    Also, in the comments, “autolyzed yeast extract” is not another name for MSG.

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    42 KitchenKop August 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm
    43 Shawna September 19, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    To avoid confusion it is important to note that the “autolyzed yeast extract” and beef stock (most likely containing hydrolyzed vegetable protien) are sources of L-glutamic acid or free glutamate (the active portion of monosodium glutamate). “Free glutamate” is found in several ingredients as well as some unprocessed foods.
    If a packaged food lists any of the following compounds among its ingredients, it likely contains free glutamate: Autolyzed yeast, monosodium glutamate, maltodextrin, hydrolyzed or textured protein, yeast food, glutamic acid, yeast extract or yeast nutrient.
    However, “free glutamate” is naturally occuring and would be virtually impossible to completely avoid. Various amounts are found in many unprocessed foods as well. Did you ever notice the chinese restaurants now list “No ADDED MSG?” This is because there is no such thing as soy sauce without l-glutamic acid. Not to mention a big labeling gimmick is to bundle the ingredients you mentioned into the ingredient list as “natural flavors.”
    The thing is to avoid overconsumption and obviously any actual added MSG. However, to avoid free glutamate completely, again, would be virtually impossible. Below are lists of amounts of free glutamate found in unprocessed foods as well as found in various products containg the ingredients mentioned in earlier posts.

    Here are amounts of free glutamate in 3.5-ounce (100-gram) samples of some natural foods, according to the FDA. Other researchers get different results, depending on the source of individual samples.

    Grapefruit (fresh, white): 10 milligrams.

    Orange (fresh): 2 mg.

    Apple (fresh): 6 mg.

    Potato (fresh): 49 mg.

    Cow’s milk: 13 mg.

    Human milk: 20 mg.

    Tomato (raw): 203 mg.

    Tomato paste: 630 mg.

    Tomato juice: 178 mg.

    Parmesan cheese: 840 mg.

    Mushroom (fresh): 29 mg.

    Following is a list of the amount of free glutamate in 3.5-ounce portions of commercial products the FDA analyzed in 1995. When MSG or hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP) was listed on the label, it is noted in parentheses:

    Cream of mushroom soup (MSG): 321 milligrams.

    Vegetable beef soup (HVP): 310 mg.

    Chicken broth (MSG): 127 mg.

    Soy sauce (various brands): 694 to 1,020 mg.

    Soy sauce (label says no MSG): 490 mg.

    Potato chips (MSG): 157 mg.

    Autolyzed yeast powder (various): 4,900 to 7,700 mg.

    Rice cakes: 75 mg.

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    44 Jack kates August 15, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I always ask to read the ladel on any deli meat i buy at the supermarket. It is scary what really is in it.
    I found that Shoprite has stored baked turkey and has no nitrates in it. I buy it for my 6 yr old son lunches.

    If you want to know anything about what is in a product. hair products,soaps,baby powder,toothpaste(stay away from colgate), go to facebook company page and post your question. you will get a answer right away because everybody will see your post

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    45 Jack kates August 15, 2013 at 11:29 am

    The FDA approved a pesticide farmers use to spay all over our fruits and veggies from 40 parts per billion to 80 parts per billion. that means double the chemicals will be on all your veggies and fruits starting 2013.

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    46 Eva December 27, 2013 at 6:02 am

    I wonder if the Feingold Association is aware of this website “oversite”. The clip below is on the D&W website under “Wellness”.

    The Feingold™ Association is a non-profit organization that works to create public awareness of how food and synthetic additives affect health, learning and behavior. Dietz & Watson products appear on the Feingold Association’s list of foods safe for hyperactive children and people with sensitive diets.

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    47 Kelly the Kitchen Kop December 27, 2013 at 7:04 am

    Hi Eva,

    I think it’s just that they are a less picky than I am. Or maybe they haven’t dug in quite as deep.

    Kelly

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    48 Melanie F February 6, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    I only have one concern about “grass fed” meat – I’m all for it, but how do you know those animals’ grass was grown organically and are pesticide free?

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    49 Dave G February 13, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Oh well we’re all going to die from something. Now I’m going to make a big Boar’s Head Deluxe Ham and Genoa Salami Sandwich for lunch.

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    50 Morrow's Meat Market March 13, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    My family is setting up a butcher shop as I type. Seeing the new movement of the world is to grass fed products is eye opening. As a few have stated just the “Grass” fed statement is open to say the least. Was raised on a 400 acre beef farm and if the field was sprayed for disease on the fescue then grass fed is not so clean and clear. Know your butcher and he is to know his suppliers.

    Great information. Dietz is far the better choice just understand which ones have the items not cared for.

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