Vaccines: a chat with the nurse…
My regular readers know that in our family, after hours of research on vaccine dangers, we’ve chosen to have our youngest get some vaccines, but no where near all that the doctors recommend. (I only say our youngest because with the older three we didn’t know better, and hadn’t learned yet to question everything.) If you want to read more about my research process, check out these posts on immunization decisions.
How is your doctor’s office with this…?
Our doctor, and the whole doctor’s office actually, have always been great about it, and I know this isn’t the case in many offices. When I was pregnant for our youngest, I said to Dr. D, “What would you say if I told you that I’m not sure about the whole issue of vaccines, and may not have him get some of the recommended shots?” He said, “Well, I’d try to talk you into it, but ultimately it’s your decision.” We went on to have more talks about it and he calmly explained why he absolutely has his own kids vaccinated. I explained why I was questioning it, and neither of us convinced each other. I was completely OK with that, because he was respecting our choice as parents, even though he disagreed. Throughout these past five years since our son was born, whenever it was time (based on my research) for him to get another shot, I’d just call the office and set it up with the nurse. When we’d get there they’d ask, “What’s he getting today?” It was obvious I was a rarity, especially when I’d ask questions about the type of preservatives in the shot, etc. (I absolutely cannot believe more people are not asking them these questions), but they never made me feel uncomfortable in any way.
Well recently I’ve been getting these letters in the mail from the doctor’s office, listing all the shots we were “behind” on with our kids, strongly encouraging us to get them in right away. I’d toss it into the trash and another one would come with big red letters, “SECOND NOTICE!” stamped on it. So I called the office and said, “Here’s the deal. We get some shots, but not all, Dr. D knows this, so can you take us off the list for these letters?” After a few days the nurse in charge of this called me…
Again, she was very nice and respectful.
She explained that because they have a handful of patients who don’t vaccinate on schedule or vaccinate at all, a bunch of doctors, mine included, got together to come up with a plan to protect themselves legally, which I understand. So she’s sending me some forms we need to sign in order to not receive these letters anymore. She said, “Dr. D. told me to tell you not to worry about the part that says we reserve the right to discharge you if you don’t follow the recommended shot schedule.”
I decided to ask her a question.
- Me: “So only a handful of people question this shot schedule? That surprises me that more parents don’t become informed on all this, and that more doctors don’t learn both sides of the issue.”
- J: “Oh, we go to vaccination conferences every year and they explain both sides so we know what these parents are hearing and reading. But I’m still very much pro-vaccine. You have to be careful what you read on the internet, that’s why we include in this paperwork a list of approved sites we recommend reading.”
- Me: “What scares me are things like the time I came in and was told that a couple shots could be given together according to the CDC schedule. But when I asked the nurses to double check that they didn’t have mercury, we found the insert from the drug company that said not to give those together. It’s not very reassuring when the CDC and the drug company recommendations contradict each other and no one seems to know what they’re doing.” (Read more about that story here.)
- J: “Oh, we do our research, we know what can be given together and what can’t.” (I'm thinking, “Huh? Did you hear what I just said happened at your office?!”)
- Me: “For me it’s just common sense. The number of shots kids received 20 years ago compared to now, it’s just too much! They used to maybe get 3 different disease micro-organisms at once, now they get 3 in one shot, and 1 or 2 more shots besides!”
- J: “Well we learned at this conference that kids could actually handle up to 20 different disease organisms at once, not that there would be enough spots on their body to give them that many at once!”
- Me: “They are seriously telling doctors this? Wow. Doesn’t that make you think about all that they’re putting into these little bodies?”
- J: “No, because their immune systems can handle it.”
- Me: “Maybe some kids’ immune systems can handle it, but most kids these days are eating so much junk that their immune systems are shot and they can’t handle all this.”
- J: “Well, that’s why it’s good that the whole shot schedule is finished by the time they’re two, and then their next shot isn’t until they’re 4 years old, so in the time when they’re getting the most vaccines, they’re on breastmilk or formula.”
- Me: “All those shots, going into their tiny developing brains?! And commercial formula is nothing but junk, but that’s another day’s topic, I won’t get going on that one. Thanks for chatting with me about all this.”
- J: “Sure, anytime.”
So tell me, what do you guys think about all this?
Here's the follow up post to this one.
- Should I have “gone there” with her in the first place?
- Why do you think many doctors just don’t see what seems like plain common sense?
- All my posts on vaccines in one spot.