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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-54198</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your work here Kelly!  I have read lots on your site and am using recipes. One I really look forward to trying is making my own stock.

I recently was introduced to your site by my niece. We have recently been changing our diet to organic.  This is a slow process as we are a large family.  But we are doing it!  We found a few farms to buy organic beef and chicken.  And can&#039;t wait till spring to plant a garden and also check out local produce!

We also have found a great farm that sells organic milk....it&#039;s called Happy Cow!!!  Of course it was a change for us as we were used to low fat milk and soymilk. 

 I added water at first to the milk so that it wasn&#039;t as heavy.  We have 7 children and most of them like it! (unfortunately the older ones age 23 and 22 buy their own &#039;bad&#039; milk to drink!:( they still live at home)  We also have switched cheeses to Happy Cow cheese!  I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your work here Kelly!  I have read lots on your site and am using recipes. One I really look forward to trying is making my own stock.</p>
<p>I recently was introduced to your site by my niece. We have recently been changing our diet to organic.  This is a slow process as we are a large family.  But we are doing it!  We found a few farms to buy organic beef and chicken.  And can&#8217;t wait till spring to plant a garden and also check out local produce!</p>
<p>We also have found a great farm that sells organic milk&#8230;.it&#8217;s called Happy Cow!!!  Of course it was a change for us as we were used to low fat milk and soymilk. </p>
<p> I added water at first to the milk so that it wasn&#8217;t as heavy.  We have 7 children and most of them like it! (unfortunately the older ones age 23 and 22 buy their own &#8216;bad&#8217; milk to drink!:( they still live at home)  We also have switched cheeses to Happy Cow cheese!  I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-52639</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah, I understand what you&#039;re saying, but personally I couldn&#039;t buy UHT anything.  It is just SO denatured. I know cream is expensive, what about using diluted cream or even just whole milk?

Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah, I understand what you&#8217;re saying, but personally I couldn&#8217;t buy UHT anything.  It is just SO denatured. I know cream is expensive, what about using diluted cream or even just whole milk?</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah W</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-52629</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not quite read through all the comments, so I hope this hasn&#039;t already been asked... but I&#039;ve been considering the UHT half n half I buy as just &quot;nutrient neutral...&quot;  I know that it doesn&#039;t have any health benefits really b/c it is dead, and that&#039;s not why I drink it, but I was hoping that it isn&#039;t detrimental to my health either...  (although I suppose the homogenization isn&#039;t too great.)   I don&#039;t think it has any vitamins added back in - at least it is not labeled as such.

I&#039;ve been following NT and WAPF principles for about 8 months now and I&#039;m definitely a believer in nutrient dense foods.  I do buy raw milk, but not cream or half n half b/c it is so much more expensive and we drink it with our morning coffee.   Plus I&#039;ll use it in the occasional recipe where it&#039;s going to get heated up anyways.

Sometimes I wonder if there is something I eat a lot of, can I not afford to get the natural/organic version? or can I not afford NOT to get it?  :)  (Do you know what I mean? :) )

I guess UHT half n half is one of my compromises.... is it a reasonable one?  (just curious of your opinion!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not quite read through all the comments, so I hope this hasn&#8217;t already been asked&#8230; but I&#8217;ve been considering the UHT half n half I buy as just &#8220;nutrient neutral&#8230;&#8221;  I know that it doesn&#8217;t have any health benefits really b/c it is dead, and that&#8217;s not why I drink it, but I was hoping that it isn&#8217;t detrimental to my health either&#8230;  (although I suppose the homogenization isn&#8217;t too great.)   I don&#8217;t think it has any vitamins added back in &#8211; at least it is not labeled as such.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following NT and WAPF principles for about 8 months now and I&#8217;m definitely a believer in nutrient dense foods.  I do buy raw milk, but not cream or half n half b/c it is so much more expensive and we drink it with our morning coffee.   Plus I&#8217;ll use it in the occasional recipe where it&#8217;s going to get heated up anyways.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if there is something I eat a lot of, can I not afford to get the natural/organic version? or can I not afford NOT to get it?  <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Do you know what I mean? <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I guess UHT half n half is one of my compromises&#8230;. is it a reasonable one?  (just curious of your opinion!)</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-42759</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you suffer from not having any milk for an extended period?  That&#039;s hard to say, but a well-rounded diet would be smart, as always.  And it would take a while to go through all the nutrients in milk and what foods would be good alternatives, but if you&#039;re thinking specifically about calcium, bone broths are a great source!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you suffer from not having any milk for an extended period?  That&#8217;s hard to say, but a well-rounded diet would be smart, as always.  And it would take a while to go through all the nutrients in milk and what foods would be good alternatives, but if you&#8217;re thinking specifically about calcium, bone broths are a great source!</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve gone over and over in my mind about whether or not to use dry milk powder.  I keep a moderate amount of food storage at home to use in case of emergency (and it&#039;s economical to buy in bulk).  One of the foods recommended for storage is dry milk.  If I buy any I&#039;ll have to use it slowly to rotate it, but have read about oxidized cholesterol, so don&#039;t necessarily want to store any at all.  So if I were in a position only use only the food we have at home for an extended period (several months) would we suffer from not having any milk?  What would be a storable item we could use to replace the nutrition from our raw milk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gone over and over in my mind about whether or not to use dry milk powder.  I keep a moderate amount of food storage at home to use in case of emergency (and it&#8217;s economical to buy in bulk).  One of the foods recommended for storage is dry milk.  If I buy any I&#8217;ll have to use it slowly to rotate it, but have read about oxidized cholesterol, so don&#8217;t necessarily want to store any at all.  So if I were in a position only use only the food we have at home for an extended period (several months) would we suffer from not having any milk?  What would be a storable item we could use to replace the nutrition from our raw milk?</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-36747</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa I. - such great info, thanks so much!
Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa I. &#8211; such great info, thanks so much!<br />
Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Imerman</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-36736</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Imerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention, WAPF does put out a pocket shopping guide that is very valuable. It lists brands in order of best, better and good for many items including dairy.  Most brands listed are national brands although some are regional, but often are things you can get shipped, etc.  

Kerry Gold butter is listed as a good brand of butter.  Costco sells it for a good price too.  

You can get the shopping guide from a local chapter usually or directly from WAPF. I think they cost $2.

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention, WAPF does put out a pocket shopping guide that is very valuable. It lists brands in order of best, better and good for many items including dairy.  Most brands listed are national brands although some are regional, but often are things you can get shipped, etc.  </p>
<p>Kerry Gold butter is listed as a good brand of butter.  Costco sells it for a good price too.  </p>
<p>You can get the shopping guide from a local chapter usually or directly from WAPF. I think they cost $2.</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Imerman</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/02/healthy-milk.html/comment-page-3#comment-36733</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Imerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t get a chance to read all the comments, but a few I can address.   I understand the skepticism with all raw milk info leading to WAPF info. I  am involved with the Metro Detroit Chapter of WAPF and I do agree with much of what they stand for as an organization, but they are a non-profit with a very small staff and a pretty small budget considering all they do, so there are times when WAPF doesn&#039;t get the message out in the best way possible but I think overall their &quot;heart&quot; is in the right place.  My advice to those on the fence is look at the science, history and where the money trail leads.  WAPF isn&#039;t leading the money trail, but the info you find from other sources probably is leading right to the milk industry (FDA, etc. all get a lot of financial backing and employees that have ties to big business).  

The book that convinced my husband was &quot;The Untold Story of Milk&quot;
It give you a lot of the historical background of milk and pasteurization and also a lot of the science.  It probably isn&#039;t perfect and this is  controversial topic, but it is a good resource and starting point to get the arguments and questions formed and somewhat answered for at least on side of the equation.

If you choose to do raw milk the most important things are to know your source.  Really get to know what issues are important in good milk production and consumerism.  Things like what the cows eat, how they are raised, what if any &quot;drugs&quot; are they given, is their feed organic, does it have soy, is the pasture rotated, is it fertilized, GMO grasses, etc. How does the farmer milk, clean the equipment, cool the milk, store the milk, etc.  Also, when you get raw milk, you really need to keep the cold chain.  

I know the Warnke&#039;s at Our Farm and Dairy personally and they are amazing farmers, so do your research, ask them questions and feel confident that they are a good fit for your family.  I will tell you that they love what they do and they care about the animals and their members!!  

Also, Peg Beals wrote a great book for Raw Milk consumers about handling milk.  You can get it right from Peg.  She is part of the MI Fresh Milk Council, so you can probably find her contact info online.  

Also, check out David Gumpert&#039;s Blog www.thecompletepatient.com as he writes extensively about raw milk and you will get a good view of all the issues and there are readers who leave comments from both sides of the arguments for and against raw milk, so it is a good resource.

Calder&#039;s which was mentioned above is a good brand, they aren&#039;t organic but they do pasture and low-vat pasteurize their milk . Read labels on their other products as many have artificial ingredients, but their cream and whole milk are great.

Stay away from Horizon or many store brand organic milk.  They are really factory farmed and Horizon and Aurora (many store brands like Costco and Walmart are Aurora milk) are being sued by the Organic Consumers Association and have been cited numerous times for violations.  You can read more on this at the Organic Consumers Association&#039;s website.

Dry Milk Powder, not only is it oxidized cholesterol but it also is processed in such a way to form free radicals which is the equivelant of MSG.  I react to it with migraines and am very allergic to MSG, so beware of it in many items, including a lot of meat products (even from reputable farmers, always read labels).

In Clarkston, MI there is also Cook&#039;s farm Dairy and it isn&#039;t organic but is pastured and better than store milk!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t get a chance to read all the comments, but a few I can address.   I understand the skepticism with all raw milk info leading to WAPF info. I  am involved with the Metro Detroit Chapter of WAPF and I do agree with much of what they stand for as an organization, but they are a non-profit with a very small staff and a pretty small budget considering all they do, so there are times when WAPF doesn&#8217;t get the message out in the best way possible but I think overall their &#8220;heart&#8221; is in the right place.  My advice to those on the fence is look at the science, history and where the money trail leads.  WAPF isn&#8217;t leading the money trail, but the info you find from other sources probably is leading right to the milk industry (FDA, etc. all get a lot of financial backing and employees that have ties to big business).  </p>
<p>The book that convinced my husband was &#8220;The Untold Story of Milk&#8221;<br />
It give you a lot of the historical background of milk and pasteurization and also a lot of the science.  It probably isn&#8217;t perfect and this is  controversial topic, but it is a good resource and starting point to get the arguments and questions formed and somewhat answered for at least on side of the equation.</p>
<p>If you choose to do raw milk the most important things are to know your source.  Really get to know what issues are important in good milk production and consumerism.  Things like what the cows eat, how they are raised, what if any &#8220;drugs&#8221; are they given, is their feed organic, does it have soy, is the pasture rotated, is it fertilized, GMO grasses, etc. How does the farmer milk, clean the equipment, cool the milk, store the milk, etc.  Also, when you get raw milk, you really need to keep the cold chain.  </p>
<p>I know the Warnke&#8217;s at Our Farm and Dairy personally and they are amazing farmers, so do your research, ask them questions and feel confident that they are a good fit for your family.  I will tell you that they love what they do and they care about the animals and their members!!  </p>
<p>Also, Peg Beals wrote a great book for Raw Milk consumers about handling milk.  You can get it right from Peg.  She is part of the MI Fresh Milk Council, so you can probably find her contact info online.  </p>
<p>Also, check out David Gumpert&#8217;s Blog <a href="http://www.thecompletepatient.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecompletepatient.com</a> as he writes extensively about raw milk and you will get a good view of all the issues and there are readers who leave comments from both sides of the arguments for and against raw milk, so it is a good resource.</p>
<p>Calder&#8217;s which was mentioned above is a good brand, they aren&#8217;t organic but they do pasture and low-vat pasteurize their milk . Read labels on their other products as many have artificial ingredients, but their cream and whole milk are great.</p>
<p>Stay away from Horizon or many store brand organic milk.  They are really factory farmed and Horizon and Aurora (many store brands like Costco and Walmart are Aurora milk) are being sued by the Organic Consumers Association and have been cited numerous times for violations.  You can read more on this at the Organic Consumers Association&#8217;s website.</p>
<p>Dry Milk Powder, not only is it oxidized cholesterol but it also is processed in such a way to form free radicals which is the equivelant of MSG.  I react to it with migraines and am very allergic to MSG, so beware of it in many items, including a lot of meat products (even from reputable farmers, always read labels).</p>
<p>In Clarkston, MI there is also Cook&#8217;s farm Dairy and it isn&#8217;t organic but is pastured and better than store milk!!</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
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		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, I&#039;m so glad you found your way here!  We have the TOTB book, but need to look for the DVD.  :)

Lisa, I love going to the meetings and being involved when I can, but if I add anything else on my &quot;to-do&quot; list I&#039;ll go crazy!  I&#039;d love to be a chapter leader someday, though.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, I&#8217;m so glad you found your way here!  We have the TOTB book, but need to look for the DVD.  <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Lisa, I love going to the meetings and being involved when I can, but if I add anything else on my &#8220;to-do&#8221; list I&#8217;ll go crazy!  I&#8217;d love to be a chapter leader someday, though.  <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Sargese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Sargese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article! You should consider being a WAPF Chapter leader! Or are you already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article! You should consider being a WAPF Chapter leader! Or are you already?</p>
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