Reader Question:
Hi Kelly, I’ve been reading your blog for a while now. I just bought a bunch of grass fed ground beef, roasts, and steaks. So far I’ve cooked the ground beef and one roast. The meat is sooo different and has a yucky type of smell to it. Honestly, I just don’t like it. I thought that since it was natural and not messed with, it would taste better than what you buy in the stores. Is there something I’m missing…maybe a process of making it taste better or something? The smell of it cooking makes me want to gag, but at the same time I want my family to be healthy. Any advice???
Thanks!!
Ashley
My response:
That happened to us once and we had purchased HALF OF A COW!!! It was icky and I was so disappointed, too. Thankfully I didn’t give up – we tried another grass-fed farm, and now I looooooove our meat – it tastes "normal", like the beefy taste we’re used to.
Does Your Raw Milk Ever Taste “Off”?
The same thing happened at the farm where we used to get our raw milk. As a matter of fact, most of the summer I couldn’t even drink it. But where we get it now is much more consistent. Only once in a great while do I notice an off taste, but normally it’s so delicious and fresh tasting, even all summer long when the cows are on grass. That’s when the milk has the most nutrients, but also when it’s more likely to have the off taste because of where they’re grazing.
Why is milk (and meat) from “grass-fed” animals more nutritious?
From “Real Food: What to Eat and Why”: “Cows on grass contain more omega-3 fats, more vitamin A, and more beta-carotene and other antioxidants. Butter and cream from grass-fed cows are a rare source of the unique and beneficial fat CLA – CLA prevents heart disease, fights cancer, and builds lean muscle. It aids weight loss in several ways: by decreasing the amount of fat stored after eating, increasing the rate at which fat cells are broken down, and reducing the number of fat cells.”
Do you notice any taste difference?
Some people don’t notice this off taste in the milk or meat at all (like Kent and two of our kids), but some totally notice and dislike it (like myself and the other two kids). It used to drive me crazy, I’d say, “How could you not notice that?!” I thought there was something wrong with me, why did my picky palate not like the more nutritious foods?! I really wanted to be able to drink the milk all summer long, when the cows were out on grass and it was most nutritious, and I’m so thankful we’re getting it at a new farm now.
If you don’t have many choices near you and can’t find another farm, try talking to your farmer to see if they’ll be able to figure out what’s causing it. I’m hoping to get some good comments on this post from others who are much more knowledgeable than I am and can clue us in more… I’d love to hear from grass-fed meat and dairy farmers to get your take on this. Has anyone else dealt with similar issues?
Why does that happen?
Kent’s guess is that it’s because the farmers where we get our raw milk now do a better job of managing their fields. At the other place the cows were probably wandering into more weedy areas or spots with dandelions or something else that gave the milk the off taste.
What to do with the off-tasting meat?
To use up the beef that you have, just make things like spaghetti sauce or something spicy. Then ask around before you try another farm, and be sure to try just one package of ground beef until you’re sure it tastes good to you.
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Girl Gone Domestic 07.17.09 at 12:46 am
I will never forget the time I was cooking some grass fed ground beef and my Dad walked into our house and said “Having fish for dinner?” I think grass fed meat can have a funky smell and stronger taste. Our pastured chickens we’ve been buying also have a “game-y” taste. But we pay so much and do it for the nutrients, and like you said, cook it into things and you don’t really notice. Have never had a problem with our raw cow’s milk, but two of my kids drink raw goat’s milk…that is another thing entirely, sometimes I smell it and blech! :p
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Sabine 07.17.09 at 2:43 am
Yes, the taste of milk and meat depends on the variety of plants on the pasture.
A friend of mine fed a few kohlrabi leaves to her milk sheep and the milk tasted for 3 days very ugly like cabbage. Wild leek, onions and garlic are worse.
It’s not the fault of the farmer but the typical “local” taste of that pasture. You just can’t control what the cows are eating of it.
And that’s the reason why there are so many different kinds of cheese allover the world – the taste comes from the local pasture with the different minerals in the soil and the different plants.
You can tell easily the difference between a cheese from the marshlands and from highlands – the plants differ a lot.
So don’t blame the farmer if you don’t like the taste of his milk/meat – it’s just “local” and very special.
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Eleanor K. Sommer 07.17.09 at 8:05 am
I think part of the reason, we flinch at the taste of real grass-fed meat is that we are accustomed to the “sweet” taste of cows, etc., that have been “finished” with grain. Even some meat labeled “grass-fed” is not so right up until slaughter time. At some point some cows are fed grains and this, in my experience, makes the meat taste like what we have been accustomed to.
I had the same experience the first time I cooked grass-fed beef. I thought something was severely wrong, but when I talked with other people, I discovered that my palate was just not experienced with this new taste and I should give it a chance.
Unfortunately, my husband will not eat beef of any kind, so I don’t have it often enough to develop the “taste,” but at least I know what to expect when I do, and I figure after a few years, I won’t even remember what grain-fed beef tasted like.
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Theresa Taylor 07.17.09 at 8:16 am
Hi,
I have been farming grass-fed beef, chicken, milk, and eggs for seven years. I agree with the posts about grass-fed sometimes smelling and tasting off. In order to get the grass smell out of the milk, the farmer has to tie the cow up for a 2 hours prior to milking. This works for both goats and cows. As far as meat goes, a farmer should confine the steer for 3 days and feed hay. If your meat smells like fish, that is a good thing, omega 3 fatty acids…. If your meat smells strong, but not like fish, that is the minerals, probably too much potassium in the grass prior to butchering. If you butcher in the winter, your beef is probably eating rye grass. Lush new grass growth, even mid winter can have a negative effect on the taste of your beef. Ask the farmer to feed your beef hay for three days prior to butchering. It will affect the nutrients very little as long as he has been pasture raised. Also ask about how your beef is killed. If your steer is stressed on the day that he is butchered, he will have tons of adrenaline flowing through his body. This will give an off taste to the meat. I like to butcher steers myself, because I kill them as they are eating their hay. They are peaceful and then gone. I always pray and ask God for mercy before killing any of my animals. These are all things you can ask your farmer to do, or you can do yourself if you are the one butchering your own beef.
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Kelly 07.17.09 at 8:46 am
Theresa, that is so interesting – I wonder if very many farmers know this? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
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Abbie 07.17.09 at 10:31 am
It is my understanding that different cow breeds taste different. Ask your famer what breed of cow they raise and how that the meat typically tastes, where it is fed (what it is fed, and what kind of grain it may eat before slaughter), and about the typical texture of the meat. My parents buy their grass-fed beef in NH and their meat tastes different than the meat we buy here in VA. If you have a farmers market near you, you could buy a single cut to try before committing to a whole side! good luck. Abbie
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Vin | NaturalBias.com 07.17.09 at 1:42 pm
Wow, I’d be so disappointed by an entire side of bad tasting meat! I’ve had cuts that taste better than others, but I don’t ever think I’ve had one that I truly thought tasted bad.
Interesting information, Theresa!
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MacKenzie 07.17.09 at 2:13 pm
We drink raw goats milk and every once in a while I get a sip that just tastes – goaty. It’s not really a bad taste, I just instantly think “goat.” The first few times I wasn’t sure I could handle it long term but now I don’t even mind, I just think it is odd. Especially since it is that it really is only a portion of the gallon each time. I am a bit weary of trying to make ice cream or yogurt if I know it will be served to guests.
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Andrea 07.17.09 at 2:20 pm
I notice that both my grass-fed milk and beef have a stronger flavor than store bought. I think once you get used to it, it’s not bad at all…as long as the taste isn’t too strong. At one farm, the strong taste in the milk is bad enought that I can’t drink it. My mother says that she read that the milk has to be chilled immediately, or it will develop a strong flavor. I dont’ know if this is true or not, but it is an idea. Perhaps some farms are able to chill it faster or colder than others.
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Anna 07.17.09 at 3:41 pm
Definitely, the concept of “terroir” comes into play with grass-fed animals and their milk. We are what we eat. Europeans are very sensitive to this, but Americans have largely lost this distinction due to generations growing up on bland, uniform industrialy controlled supermarket food. I remember thinking my English in-law were nuts when they compared butter from different places, but now I “get it”. Butter isn’t just “butter”.
I have a friend who grew up in Germany and she can’t stand frozen beef. She says it has a funny taste when it has been frozen, but I can’t taste that. Go figure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroir
I’ve been consuming pastured bison for two years, plus some wild field-dressed venison when my huntress sister shares, so my palate has definitely changed toward the bolder flavors. I find corn-fed supermarket beef to be so bland and boring now, and always a disappointment (which helps to resist the cheap prices). I also find boneless chicken breasts almost inedible and boneless pork loin roast really boring; now I always go for the more flavorful bone-in cuts. Perhaps the lower fat content of grass-fed meats might mean the other flavor constituents come through stronger and more bluntly.
It’s definitely a good idea to try some of the meat before committing to a huge bulk order. Some farmers are new to the grass model and might not have the right breeds or be managing their pasture right. Pasture-management became a lost art among many farmers, so it pays to do some homework.
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Bill 07.17.09 at 4:26 pm
I think off flavors on the milk are most likely to be a problem with refrigeration or sanitation allowing off bacteria to breed. I know this because our raw milk is fantastic, normally, but have had two bad batches lately–one from a valve or something that went bad and it turned sour like cheese but from random bacteria rather than a specific culture, and one from a problem with their bulk tank refrigerating fast enough. The milk in essence went sour too soon–they found out the problem and credited us our boarding fees for the bad milk.
I’ve never had this problem with our beef, which is mostly grass-fed, but with only a little supplemental grain (they live out on pasture), on an organic, Amish farm. The flavor is through the roof, so I always wonder when people complain whether it is a question of knowledge by the farmer or if there is a difference with 100% rather than 95% grass fed. Sally Fallon argues that beef does not have to be 100% grass-fed, since grains replicate some of the natural, seasonal foods that would be available. I have also had 100% grass-fed ground beef from two farm sources and one store-bought–the farm bought ones were excellent, though maybe a tad less excellent than our regular source. The store bought was not that great, kind of dried out, but decent and no off-flavors.
I have heard of people asking a farmer who normally grain-feeds to leave a cow out on (crappy) pasture and I would expect that to result in underfed, non-nutritious, stringy beef. So I would guess that you need to find a farmer who knows how to raise grass-fed beef properly.
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Jen 07.18.09 at 4:09 am
Recently our milk smells “grassy”, but I assume it’s because the cows are eating rapidly growing green grass. It still tastes fabulous.
However, I completely understand the “off” smell, and sometimes taste of grass fed beef. We purchased 1/4 beef last November. The roasts, slow cooked in the crock pot are great. Steaks cooked on the grill are amazing. Even the hamburgers are good when they’re grilled. When I cook ground beef or steaks on the stove, or in the oven or broiler… well, it’s not so good. I like the advice of using lots of spices and sauces.
I plan to find a different farmer, when we’re ready to make our next bulk purchase. It’s worth it to me to search out a product I like.
We also purchased 1/2 pastured pork, and 10 chickens from the same farm. I later discovered (to my dismay) that they are fed non-organic feed with corn and soybeans. Which of course means it’s genetically modified. In addition, I noticed the label from the processor on the sausage one day, and right there in the listed ingredients is MSG and nitrates!!!!!!!! All of this pretty much defeats the purpose of “pastured” in my opinion. Please make sure your processors aren’t using those nasty ingredients too!
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Catherine 07.18.09 at 1:47 pm
I also want to comment about the abattoir and how the meat is processed. My girlfriend that I get my meat from is extremely picky to where she gets her animals butchered and processed. When she talks to me about it, my head is always spinning with all the science behind meat processing. My ground meat and hamburger patties are processed with ice chips so they maintain a softer texture.
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Charity Grace 07.18.09 at 9:28 pm
I grew up with a milk cow and a particular gourd would make her milk taste bitter. When it began to taste off we had to examine her pen and make sure we chopped all the gourds out.
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Kelly 07.19.09 at 6:28 pm
Wow, you guys are full of great info, thanks everyone, keep all the good scoop coming.
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Jessie 07.19.09 at 7:57 pm
I would like to echo the comment about knowing the breed of animal – it does make a big difference.
Another question I’d be curious to have Kelly post sometime & people weigh in on is how to cook patured meats as compared to non-pastured. I’ve had more issues with chickens than with beef – sometimes they seem pretty tough as compared to a store bought chicken. Even chickens from the same farm – sometimes they come out good & sometimes not. The biggest beef issue I’ve had is with burgers on the grill – they’ve not seemed to have as much taste as I thought they would.
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Katie @ Kitchen Stewardship 07.19.09 at 11:37 pm
We are having such trouble with this right now. My husband won’t drink our raw milk after about 2 days because it has such a sour smell and taste. We’ve been working hard to keep the “cold chain” consistent, using our coolers and ice packs, to not avail. I’m emailing our farmer an excerpt from Theresa’s comment above – maybe the tying up thing will help! Thanks for this post; it’s good to know we’re not alone. (Are you still at Lubbers’, Kelly? Might I ask what your former milk farm was?)
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Kelly 07.20.09 at 1:37 am
Jessie, I haven’t noticed a difference in cooking pastured chickens, has anyone else struggled with this? For cooking grass-fed beef, check out this post:
http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2009/02/5-ways-to-achieve-grass-fed-beef-cooking-nirvana-guest-post-from-the-food-renegade.html
Katie, our former milk was from an Amish farmer up north who phased out his raw milk cow share program.
Kelly
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Sabine 07.20.09 at 3:21 am
@Jessie: the common hamburgers are made by lean meat and extra added 30% fat for taste.
Lean meat doesn’t make yummy food on the grill – it’s just too dry and the lack of fat as a “flavour carrier” makes it taste bland.
And the chickens from pasture are running around and building up real muscles, the chickens from feedlots are only standing around and can’t move much, so they have soft tissues instead of muscles.
And the pastured chickens need more time to gain weight, up to 12 weeks and the store-bought chickens are butchered at an age of only 6 weeks.
So if the pastured meat is more “meaty” it’s a sign of quality and no fault. Just cook it a little bit longer at lower temperature.
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Bekki 07.22.09 at 1:33 pm
I’ve had issues like this before. I’ve had raw milk from three different states now, and it never tastes the same. The Kansas milk was definitely the weirdest… smelled SO grassy. Tasted ok, but almost had to pinch my nose. The cream never tasted very good, either, which was a huge disappointment for me! I personally love all the Texas goat milk I’ve tasted (haven’t been able to stop myself from tasting, even though I’m allergic to dairy now)… so creamy. Ahhh, I love talking about fresh raw milk. Anyway… I’ve had pretty awful grassfed beef before. The first time I bought over 1/4 of a cow, and the roasts and steaks were beyond fabulous. The ground beef, however… blech. It tasted like ground turkey. I learned to really spice things up- even our hamburgers. We just didn’t eat a lot of hamburgers until that beef was used up. I have no idea why there was such a difference between the steaks and the ground beef. Same cow. Puzzling.
Since then I’ve bought 1/4 of a cow from a dairy farm… one of their young steers (somewhere between veal and whatever age they are usually butchered at) and it doesn’t have the same depth of flavor that I’m used to. But I expected that. Got a really good deal on it. *sigh*
Oh, I do want to say… when I was still in Kansas my milk (and beef, pork, chicken) farmer sent out a notice that one of the dairy cows had broken her leg badly and had to be put down. Her meat was for sale at a big discount, if anyone was interested. Always keen for a deal, and wanting to test myself (first time eating meat where I knew it’s name!) I bought some ground beef.
BLECH!
Maybe it was the breed, maybe it was her age, maybe it was the adrenaline from probably being in pain. But it was horrid.
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Paula 07.22.09 at 2:13 pm
Jessie,
Pastured chickens are “tougher”, because they are actually using their muscles, as opposed to sitting in a building all packed together, resulting in soft flabby flesh.
You can cook your chicken in a crockpot most of the way, and then finish it in the oven to crisp up the skin.
We are rasing meat birds right now, and they are half pastured.
We are not able to afford truly good grains for them this time around, but they get supplimented heavily with saurkraut, fish broth,raw kefir, kombucha in their water, apples and other scraps, as well as all the greens and bugs that they have learned to scavange for.
This is their last week, and they are on free range restriciton, because they are desimating my giant Alaska Cabbages.
Like my husband says, we cannot have one cash crop, eating the other cash crop LOL!
We have processed a few of them and taste tested one.
Utterly fantastic!!! Yes, a bit tougher, but that is showing me that they are healthy and getting excercise!
Paula
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Kelly 07.22.09 at 4:18 pm
Bekki, thanks for the heads up in case I’m ever offered a similar deal!
Paula,
A friend just teased me today, saying that soon I’ll have chickens in my yard – you’re tempting me more!
Kelly
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Sharon Miracle 07.24.09 at 10:38 pm
We just purchased a sampler pack from a grass fed rancher here in SC, and UGH! the meat tasted awful. Even raw, you could smell that the meat was “off.” The only way I can describe it is that it tasted VERY strong like lamb, but no lamb that you’d want to eat. I’m glad I found this web site and did more research on the internet, because apparently not all grass fed beef is created equal. I’m just so glad I had enough sense to order a small quantity before committing to a 1/4 beef!
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Rachel 07.27.09 at 8:24 am
Anna said: “Some farmers are new to the grass model and might not have the right breeds or be managing their pasture right. Pasture-management became a lost art among many farmers, so it pays to do some homework.”
She is right on here. My husband’s family raises beef cattle the conventional way. He is interested in getting into intensive rotational grazing so that we can do grass- feed instead. Many farmers are seeing the difference in price and thinking that grass-fed may be the way to go. However, many don’t realize that it takes extra work because to have quality beef (both nutritionally and flavor- wise) they have to learn a whole new skill- pasture management. A farmer who has good grass fed beef can walk through a pasture with you and not only tell you what the plants are but also what impact/ benefit they have and how long they have been growing in that pasture. Most pastures are not ready to produce quality beef as many of the native grasses and plants have been exterminated or forced out. So pasture management is a key difference. You can have the same cows on different pastures in the same area and still get a vastly different taste!
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Kelly 07.27.09 at 8:05 pm
Rachel,
This is all so crazy-interesting to me, and makes me realize all the more how blessed we are to have a great farmer nearby. They are not always easy to find (hopefully that is changing), but when you do, we need to be sure and appreciate them!
Kelly
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jo 09.02.09 at 11:05 am
My son drank a glass of fresh milk from a carton which tasted really bitter.Why is this so?The milk is still within expiry date.I hope he will be alright after drinking it.Would appreciate if somebody can tell me why.
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Rebekah 11.01.09 at 1:17 pm
Is there anything you can do with off raw milk besides cook with it. We have some and it has an awful aftertaste.
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KitchenKop 11.01.09 at 2:06 pm
We used to mix it with some organic chocolate syrup and could get it by some of the kids (not all) that way…
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Katie @ Kitchen Stewardship 11.02.09 at 12:56 am
re: Rebekah
When ours start to “go” a bit, we can usually still make a smoothie w/ yogurt and lots of frozen fruit.
Katie
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Raine Saunders 12.11.09 at 1:30 pm
I just found this post when I did a search for “does hay affect the taste of milk”. We are suddenly having a flavor difference with our raw milk that we’ve been getting for nearly a year, and never before had problems with. The milk now tastes incredibly sweet as though it was not fresh, as in when the raw milk naturally sours.
There are two differences that have occurred recently which may have altered the taste of our milk – now that we have snow and sub-zero temps, cows are no longer eating grass in our region. The cows we are getting our milk from are eating alfalfa hay. Also, we have just started freezing the milk. We’ve never done this in the past since when we started getting it was February and cows were producing enough milk that we weren’t having to get a large quantity at a time and freeze. I called the farm and they suggested that a possible reason could be due to the diets of the cows, as they are now eating exclusively alfalfa and not grass.
Also when we freeze the milk, even though I went into my freezer and shook it up numerous times during the freezing process, the cream has completely separated from the milk and now will not return to its prior state before freezing. I thought this might be a problem before I froze it, but had heard reports that other people had used the shaking method at various intervals during freezing to combat the separation process. I don’t think my efforts worked…but now I’m also worried that this separation process has effectively made my milk not as healthy to drink since the fat is now in globules instead of how it naturally occurs when it comes from the cow.
Maybe the answer is simply that during winter months, it’s simply impossible to achieve milk in the same condition if you are freezing it than if it is fresh from the cow. I know this post is from July, but if anyone has had experience with this phenomenon, I’d really appreciate some information!
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Cherie Schenker 01.14.10 at 11:25 pm
We are fifth generation farmers who raise grass-fed beef. I often get customers who have purchased beef from other farmers and been less than impressed with the taste. Consistancy and flavor are the two things we are constantly working for. I have found that many producers are relatively new to raising grass fed beef. They may not realize that quality, grass-fed beef must be raised very differently than your average cow. Pasture management is critical, as is the age & weight at slaughter. In addition, any stress any animal is under can contribute to an unwanted flavor. I always, always encourage people to try a small bundle with some ground beef and a steak or two to see if our beef is a good fit for them. Most of the time, they come back to fill the freezer.
Here’s a good rule to remember: Take a look at the t-bone. The bigger the t-bone, the older the animal and the tougher & potentially gamier that steak will be. Also ask the producer if the have their ground beef tested for e-coli and if they dry-age their beef (we do both). If they do both, you are definately headed in the right direction.
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