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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-43237</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha, we go through it so fast that it&#039;s never been a problem, but for those that don&#039;t go through it as quickly, thank you for the great tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha, we go through it so fast that it&#8217;s never been a problem, but for those that don&#8217;t go through it as quickly, thank you for the great tip!</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-43220</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, this in regards to a commenter&#039;s question and your reply earlier.  I&#039;ve found that my milk lasts longer before going sour if I keep putting it in smaller containers as we use it up.  There is more dishwashing involved (ugh, LOL) but it helps us as we can only get a little at a time so I am rather conservative with its use.  The air it&#039;s exposed to in the jar hastens the spoilage according to the friend I buy it from.  

Martha not in Mexico :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, this in regards to a commenter&#8217;s question and your reply earlier.  I&#8217;ve found that my milk lasts longer before going sour if I keep putting it in smaller containers as we use it up.  There is more dishwashing involved (ugh, LOL) but it helps us as we can only get a little at a time so I am rather conservative with its use.  The air it&#8217;s exposed to in the jar hastens the spoilage according to the friend I buy it from.  </p>
<p>Martha not in Mexico <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kelly the Kitchen Kop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-43190</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly the Kitchen Kop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZohBug,
Great comment and neat story, thank you so much for sharing!
Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZohBug,<br />
Great comment and neat story, thank you so much for sharing!<br />
Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: ZohBug</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-43150</link>
		<dc:creator>ZohBug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I sit here perusing your blog which I happened upon quite by chance the other day, I&#039;m enjoying a cup of hot tea laden with coconut oil, raw cream, and raw milk. I feel very fortunate -- might I even say blessed -- to live in Wisconsin and be able to navigate my way through the system in spite of the road blocks put in place by the anti-raw milk faction and be able to purchase this wonderful food for my family. 

My children and I are also lactose intolerant and were dairy free, save for yogurt, before I located sources of raw dairy which we can tolerate without a problem. When milk is pasteurized, not only are vital nutrients decimated, but lactose is converted to beta-lactose. So many people who think they cannot tolerate lactose because they cannot tolerate pasteurized dairy, are actually beta-lactose intolerant. After all, breast milk contains lactose, and I know that my children -- both extended nursers -- can tolerate lactose. 

As you mention, food safety is not an issue just for raw milk consumers, but also for consumers of any and all foods. In a recent study, leafy greens is at the top of the list of culprits for causing illness in consumers (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/wgntv-risky-foods-weblinks-oct6,0,2543661.story). This, of course, doesn&#039;t absolve raw milk providers and consumers of responsibility for keeping our food safe. I believe that it is incumbent upon us, as consumers, to do our part in shopping around wisely and visiting the farmers that we purchase from and asking about bacteria counts, what they feed their cows to insure that they are 100% grass fed (because cows were meant to only eat grass, not grains and it&#039;s grains that make them sick, need antibiotics, and can cause e. coli, etc.). We have to ask about cleanliness standards for how our milk is delivered to us. We also have to not grab our bottles of milk and stick them in the trunk of our cars, but keep them cool and refrigerate them as soon as possible (I keep a plug in cooler in my vehicle). Our farmers have to do their parts as well to insure that the lines of communication are open at all times and to provide the proper environment for their dairy cows. 

I place a lot of trust in the farmers I buy our raw dairy (milk, cheese, butter, etc.) from so having a good, trusting, working relationship is imperative. In return, they trust that if I have any concerns or questions, that I will share them with them. If anyone in my family were to ever become ill and I suspected our dairy was the source (which has never happened), I would go to my farmer first. I&#039;m always amazed on raw milk and kefir groups and how many people would bypass this relationship and say they would go to an attorney. I guess that for me, it&#039;s also a lifestyle choice in terms of how we eat because we eat to live and we enjoy our food because we enjoy living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I sit here perusing your blog which I happened upon quite by chance the other day, I&#8217;m enjoying a cup of hot tea laden with coconut oil, raw cream, and raw milk. I feel very fortunate &#8212; might I even say blessed &#8212; to live in Wisconsin and be able to navigate my way through the system in spite of the road blocks put in place by the anti-raw milk faction and be able to purchase this wonderful food for my family. </p>
<p>My children and I are also lactose intolerant and were dairy free, save for yogurt, before I located sources of raw dairy which we can tolerate without a problem. When milk is pasteurized, not only are vital nutrients decimated, but lactose is converted to beta-lactose. So many people who think they cannot tolerate lactose because they cannot tolerate pasteurized dairy, are actually beta-lactose intolerant. After all, breast milk contains lactose, and I know that my children &#8212; both extended nursers &#8212; can tolerate lactose. </p>
<p>As you mention, food safety is not an issue just for raw milk consumers, but also for consumers of any and all foods. In a recent study, leafy greens is at the top of the list of culprits for causing illness in consumers (<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/wgntv-risky-foods-weblinks-oct6,0,2543661.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/wgntv-risky-foods-weblinks-oct6,0,2543661.story</a>). This, of course, doesn&#8217;t absolve raw milk providers and consumers of responsibility for keeping our food safe. I believe that it is incumbent upon us, as consumers, to do our part in shopping around wisely and visiting the farmers that we purchase from and asking about bacteria counts, what they feed their cows to insure that they are 100% grass fed (because cows were meant to only eat grass, not grains and it&#8217;s grains that make them sick, need antibiotics, and can cause e. coli, etc.). We have to ask about cleanliness standards for how our milk is delivered to us. We also have to not grab our bottles of milk and stick them in the trunk of our cars, but keep them cool and refrigerate them as soon as possible (I keep a plug in cooler in my vehicle). Our farmers have to do their parts as well to insure that the lines of communication are open at all times and to provide the proper environment for their dairy cows. </p>
<p>I place a lot of trust in the farmers I buy our raw dairy (milk, cheese, butter, etc.) from so having a good, trusting, working relationship is imperative. In return, they trust that if I have any concerns or questions, that I will share them with them. If anyone in my family were to ever become ill and I suspected our dairy was the source (which has never happened), I would go to my farmer first. I&#8217;m always amazed on raw milk and kefir groups and how many people would bypass this relationship and say they would go to an attorney. I guess that for me, it&#8217;s also a lifestyle choice in terms of how we eat because we eat to live and we enjoy our food because we enjoy living.</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-42949</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel, thank you so much for passing this along!  I just spent a looooong time reading all the comments there, what a great discussion!  I&#039;m going to post on it soon.  I totally agree with you, and I want my readers to know BOTH sides of the issue before deciding.  :)

BTW, didn&#039;t that one commenter drive you crazy with his nasty tone?

Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel, thank you so much for passing this along!  I just spent a looooong time reading all the comments there, what a great discussion!  I&#8217;m going to post on it soon.  I totally agree with you, and I want my readers to know BOTH sides of the issue before deciding.  <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, didn&#8217;t that one commenter drive you crazy with his nasty tone?</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently found your blog and am so enjoying it, thanks for all the great info. Just thought I&#039;d pass along this article I found that was posted July of this year.  http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/07/20/raw-milk-2/ I found it when I was researching switching to raw milk. It discusses the E-COLI experiment you referred to and it seems the results weren&#039;t quite as positive as he said. I still switched to raw milk and we love it and feel safe, but I did appreciate reading this article so I wasn&#039;t making my choice with misinformation. Again, thanks for your info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently found your blog and am so enjoying it, thanks for all the great info. Just thought I&#8217;d pass along this article I found that was posted July of this year.  <a href="http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/07/20/raw-milk-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/07/20/raw-milk-2/</a> I found it when I was researching switching to raw milk. It discusses the E-COLI experiment you referred to and it seems the results weren&#8217;t quite as positive as he said. I still switched to raw milk and we love it and feel safe, but I did appreciate reading this article so I wasn&#8217;t making my choice with misinformation. Again, thanks for your info!</p>
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		<title>By: KitchenKop</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-34901</link>
		<dc:creator>KitchenKop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mommy1,

It&#039;s good that you commented so that people are reminded that yes, there *are* risks, as mentioned in the post above.  Usually this only involves a little GI upset, but it&#039;s still good to be informed.  

I&#039;m glad I can still get raw milk in Michigan, though, and will continue to drink it.

Thanks!
Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mommy1,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that you commented so that people are reminded that yes, there *are* risks, as mentioned in the post above.  Usually this only involves a little GI upset, but it&#8217;s still good to be informed.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I can still get raw milk in Michigan, though, and will continue to drink it.</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Mommy1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommy1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it looks like raw milk is no longer available in Wisconsin.  The one place we would have been able to get it was closed.  At least 13 people were infected with Campylobacter jejuni.

http://www.datcp.state.wi.us/press_release/result.jsp?prid=2351

That was bad timing for the raw milk farmers here due to the crack down on farmers:

http://www.realmilk.com/actionalert-31aug2009.html

I&#039;m personally relieved we hadn&#039;t switched to raw because the farm where we would have bought our milk was the source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like raw milk is no longer available in Wisconsin.  The one place we would have been able to get it was closed.  At least 13 people were infected with Campylobacter jejuni.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.datcp.state.wi.us/press_release/result.jsp?prid=2351" rel="nofollow">http://www.datcp.state.wi.us/press_release/result.jsp?prid=2351</a></p>
<p>That was bad timing for the raw milk farmers here due to the crack down on farmers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realmilk.com/actionalert-31aug2009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realmilk.com/actionalert-31aug2009.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally relieved we hadn&#8217;t switched to raw because the farm where we would have bought our milk was the source.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/01/raw-milk-safety-2-in-raw-milk-series.html/comment-page-1#comment-20428</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martha, if you&#039;re still concerned about raw milk safety, I would make a point to visit some farmers and ask them questions about their raw milk.  See how they raise their cows, and visit more than once.  Don&#039;t do it until you know the farmer and feel comfortable about it.  (By the way, here in Michigan there are big chunks of the year that our cows aren&#039;t out on lush green pastures, either!)

Once you do, you can make your own buttermilk and mozzarella, and may other yummy things, too!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha, if you&#8217;re still concerned about raw milk safety, I would make a point to visit some farmers and ask them questions about their raw milk.  See how they raise their cows, and visit more than once.  Don&#8217;t do it until you know the farmer and feel comfortable about it.  (By the way, here in Michigan there are big chunks of the year that our cows aren&#8217;t out on lush green pastures, either!)</p>
<p>Once you do, you can make your own buttermilk and mozzarella, and may other yummy things, too!  <img src='http://kellythekitchenkop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in my little town in Mexico, buttermilk is pretty much non-existent.  Also, there are no lush, rolling pastures--cows graze in rocky lots and on the side of the road.  During the dry season, they would surely be fed hay and/or feed, as there is NO grass.  I know that I can get raw milk from one of the farmers, but even after reading your safety info, I&#039;m still a bit concerned.  What do you think?  This Alabama girl needs her buttermilk biscuits and cornbread!  And would also like to make mozzarella (none of that here either!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in my little town in Mexico, buttermilk is pretty much non-existent.  Also, there are no lush, rolling pastures&#8211;cows graze in rocky lots and on the side of the road.  During the dry season, they would surely be fed hay and/or feed, as there is NO grass.  I know that I can get raw milk from one of the farmers, but even after reading your safety info, I&#8217;m still a bit concerned.  What do you think?  This Alabama girl needs her buttermilk biscuits and cornbread!  And would also like to make mozzarella (none of that here either!)</p>
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